His children begged to go to church every Sunday, he said.
The reason: They got gifts every time they showed up.
Indonesian tycoon Wahju Hanafi on Tuesday provided a glimpse into the workings of City Harvest Church (CHC).
It was his seventh day on the witness stand during the trial of the City Harvest church leaders.
In re-examination by Deputy Public Prosecutor(DPP) Tan Kiat Pheng, Mr Wahju said that the church spent about $2 million a month on expenses, including chartering buses for churchgoers and buying gifts for the children's church on Sundays.
"I remember my kids always come (sic) back with something," he said, before going on about how the church has changed his life.
In response, DPP Tan told Mr Wahju to stay focused and answer the question, instead of "rambling on (and) on achieving whatever agenda you have".
The Indonesian tycoon later referred to church founder Kong Hee as having good business acumen too, because he could start a church of 25 members and bring it up to 33,000.
"I don't think he's (that) dumb as well, otherwise he won't be bringing the church to where it is today," he said.
Mr Wahju also elaborated on why he didn't want to find out how the church spent its money even though he has given millions since 1998.