Just minutes into an interview with The Star, Datuk Abdul Kadir Abu Hashim is upset.
The Wildlife and National Parks Department (Perhilitan) director-general has held many press conferences to report the seizure of animal parts ranging from tiger skins and rhino horns to pangolin scales with his composure intact. But at this one-on-one interview, he is finding it difficult to talk about the damage that poachers' snares inflict on wildlife in the forests.
"The animals either die or are injured when they are caught in the snare. Sometimes, we have footage or pictures captured by our camera traps showing the animals gnawing off a foot to get loose."
"In the worst cases, we will tranquillise the animal and bring it back to our centres to be treated. Usually, they die in a week or two," he says.
Abdul Kadir, who joined Perhilitan in 1992, knows the forests of Peninsula Malaysia - as one interviewer notes - like the "back of his hand", having spent the first decade of his career in the field where he studied the Sumatran rhino (considered extinct in the wild now), the Malayan gaur and the serow (both since listed as vulnerable in the Red List maintained by the International Union for Conservation of Nature).
Those in the know have pointed out that since becoming Perhilitan director-general on Aug 25, 2017, Abdul Kadir has been very engaged with conservation groups.